Guns on campus!?!?!

Today will be a multi-topic post on the subject of guns on campus, since a couple of things have come up lately and I’m playing catch-up.

Who needs a gun on campus? – JMU edition

By way of the Virginia Citizens Defense League mailing list, VA-ALERT, we have a story of a JMU student successfully using a firearm in self defense against a pair of armed robbers.

Police report that around 12:30 a.m. Saturday, Jones brandished a gun toward a male victim in the 1400 block of Devon Lane. He was accompanied by George Escobar, 19, of Falls Church,

The victim shot Jones in the upper leg. Jones was taken to Rockingham Memorial Hospital and later transferred to the University of Virginia Medical Center. He has since been released.

Police say the investigation reveals the shooting was made in self-defense and the victim will not face charges.

More information from the VCDL e-mail, that was not in the MSM story:

A JMU student shot one of two men attempting to rob him, ending the robbery and putting one criminal in the hospital and the other in jail.  It’s a small world: Jaime Radtke, who is a neighbor running for the U.S. Senate, told me she knows the student and his family.  Apparently the JMU student used a Ruger LCP in .380 ACP to shoot the gun-brandishing criminal.  The shot hit the criminal in the leg and the guy folded like a deck of cards.  The student was actually surprised that a leg shot from a .380 had so totally incapacitated the bad guy.  What he found out later was that the bullet had hit the bad guy in the thigh, ricocheted off the thigh bone and went through both of his testicles!  As all of the now wincing male readers of this alert will testify: it was lights out, game over at that point.

The police told the JMU student that both of his assailants were bad news and that it was good that he was armed.

Jaime told me that apparently both bad guys had been on the JMU campus earlier that day (so much for that gun-free zone thing).  If the student had been on campus when this dangerous situation had arose, he either might have been murdered if unarmed, or expelled for having the audacity to defend himself.

University gun bans cannot be allowed to stand.

Ouch! Well, someone committing armed robbery is certainly not undeserving of such a fate. Also, as noted in the email, it’s a good thing they decided to confront someone off campus, where students are allowed to defend themselves without worrying about being expelled. I would also like to point out that, contrary to the assertions of most anti-Rights cultists, it was in fact possible for this young man to successfully draw his gun from concealment and successfully fire on his attacker, even though the attacker was already pointing a gun at him.

Who needs a gun on campus? – UVA edition

Another one from VCDL’s VA-ALERT emails (this one available here, scroll to # 6).

Charlottesville Police are investigating an armed robbery that occurred near the 500 block of Rugby Road at approximately 2:24 a.m. this morning, Sept. 28, 2011. The male victim, a University student, reported that he was walking north on Rugby Road near Grady Avenue behind three black males. As they approached the intersection of Grady Avenue, two of the men turned and walked toward the victim. One pulled out a hand gun, pointed it at the victim and demanded his property. Taken in the robbery was an undisclosed amount of cash and personal items.

The suspect with the hand gun was described as being between 20 and 25 years old and 6-foot-2 to 6-foot-3 and 180 to 190 pounds. He had a light complexion and was wearing dark clothing. The second suspect was described as being between 20 to 25 years old, approximately 6-feet tall, and 170 to 180 pounds. He had a darker complexion and was also wearing dark clothing.

I’m not certain if this location is on or off campus, but since the victim is a student he would have been disarmed by university policy if he was going to or from classes or any university property at the time.

The UVA police chief throws in the usual useless “safety” advice. The copy below includes commentary (in square brackets) by Phillip Van Cleave, the VCDL President who also manages the email list.

We believe that the Charlottesville-Albemarle-
University area is a safe community, but crime does happen. We encourage you to be aware of your surroundings — especially if walking alone after dark.

We want to remind you of some of the things you can do to protect yourself and your friends if faced with a similar situation.

During a robbery:

1. DO NOT RESIST! Cooperate. Give the suspect(s) whatever he or she asks for: wallet, keys, jewelry, credit cards or whatever. Your life is more valuable than replaceable possessions [PVC: If he wants your life or your body, then what, Chief???  Just let him take what he wants?  Is that what the Chief tells his wife to do – just submit to being murdered or raped?  This kind of Mickey Mouse advice disgusts me.]

2. Be the best witness you can be by getting a good look at the suspect(s) so you can describe him or her later. Try to note clothing, scars, marks, tattoos, facial hair and last direction of travel.

3. Don’t make any sudden, unexpected moves. A nervous criminal may think you are reaching for a weapon.  [PVC:  Why?  That’s exactly what I will be doing!]

4. If the suspect claims to have a gun, knife, razor or whatever, never try to force the bluff.  [PVC:  I won’t.  I will assume he is telling me the truth and will react accordingly.]

5. Never try to be a hero and apprehend the criminal yourself. [PVC:  Agreed.]

6. Notify police immediately by calling 911.

Please remember that there is safety in numbers. If possible, walk with a companion, either male or female — especially after dark and in the early morning hours. An armed robber is less likely to confront two or more than a lone individual.  [PVC:  It’s no guarantee and may not be possible.  Again, is this how the Chief’s wife is expected to live her life?  Going out only in the day or going out in numbers at night?  What good is freedom if you are expected to hide in your home all the time?  After listening to this line of advice, tell me again that gun owners are the ones that are paranoid!  Sheesh.]

Michael A. Gibson
Chief, University of Virginia Police Department

I can’t really improve on Mr. Van Cleave’s commentary, here, except to reiterate my usual responses to the “possessions aren’t worth a life” refrain, and to the disgusting “give him what he wants” go-se: The robber has already decided whether your possessions (or his own entertainment) are worth your life, and you can’t know what he’s decided until it’s too late. You also don’t know if what he truly wants is your body or your life. Act accordingly, and fight back.

VCDL Organizing Campus Carry protests

In light of moves by Virginia Tech, William & Mary, and possibly other colleges and universities in Virginia to set change their gun ban policies into state regulations so that they are enforceable, VCDL is planning a series of protests.

The Board of Directors of VCDL has decided that enough is enough when it comes to the safety of the students, faculty, staff, and guests at Virginia public universities and colleges.  Higher-education “no gun” policies do not make the innocent any safer.  Instead such policies enable people like Cho to wantonly massacre, rape, and rob.

Those policies disarm students, faculty and staff not only on campus, but going to and from campus.  ODU, for example, is not situated in the best part of town and unarmed students pay the price.

What’s even more egregious is that concealed handgun permit holders, who are at least 21 years old, have clean records, have had training, are not illegal drug users or habitual drunkards, and carry virtually everywhere else they go, are purposely left helpless.  There simply is no excuse for that.  Just one armed permit holder in one of those classrooms under attack at Virginia Tech on that fateful day in 2007 could have stopped Cho.

A JMU STUDENT, WHO IS ALSO A CHP HOLDER, SAVED HIS LIFE LAST WEEK JUST OFF THE JMU CAMPUS […]

The universities know that the Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli has stated that they are not responsible for ensuring the safety of students (http://tinyurl.com/65vyx9w), yet those same universities demand that students nonetheless delegate their safety to the university and its police officers (who by the way have a Supreme Court ruling that says that THEY are not responsible for the safety of any one individual, only the public generally)!  Nothing against campus police, but the same unfortunate reality applies to them as it does all other police officers – when seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away. […]

If higher-education won’t do the right thing on their own, then VCDL and gun owners statewide need to “nudge” them onto the right path.

How do we do that?

Simple.  We hit them where it hurts – right in the wallet.  With the economy in the dumps, higher-ed is probably not getting the level of donations they are used to and we plan on squeezing them even more.

To that effect, VCDL is preparing a series of campus protests over the next few months.  We are having signs, brochures, and stickers made as I write this.  We will be on campus educating students and we will be reaching out to alumni to stop donations to the school until they change their policies, however long that takes.

Those protests will be starting in a few weeks.

ALUMNI AND PROSPECTIVE PARENTS – WE NEED SOME QUOTES FROM YOU!

If you are an alumni of the following schools, or are considering sending your son or daughter to one of them, and don’t mind your name being published in the pamphlets, email me (president@vcdl.org)  a one or two sentence quote that we can use in the brochures that we will be handing out on campus:

College of William & Mary
Virginia Commonwealth University
George Mason University
Virginia Tech
James Madison University
Radford University

Include in the quote, which university or college you attended.  Something like, “As an alumni of XYZ University, I cannot and will not support a school that mindlessly disarms students, faculty, staff, and guests with concealed handgun permits.”  Please use your own wording.

I will be announcing each protest a week or so before it is held here on VA-ALERT so that we can get a good turnout at each one.  We will need people holding signs, handing out brochures, and talking to those with questions.  Someone from VCDL leadership will be interfacing with the press.

In the meantime, spread the word far and near.  When a university or college asks for money, tell them:  NO GUNS?  NO FUNDS!

The linked court decision, along with a recent Attorney General’s opinion, have prompted several universities to try to change their anti-gun policies to regulations. I’m not convinced that even a regulation would meet the requirements of the state’s preemption law and the Virginia Constitution, but the current legal opinion is that it is sufficient. Either way, this disgusting anti-Rights trend needs to be stopped. I’m not sure that VCDL’s plans will be effective, but it is only one facet of their efforts. I don’t think it will hurt, even if the usual suspects are engaging in their usual PSH about the protests.

Conclusion

The conclusion here is simple: Be active in your state and local politics, especially the area of gun Rights. And carry your gun! It’s a lighter burden than regret!

END OF LINE

[Sources (JMU story): WHSV.com story, retrieved 10/11/11, and VCDL VA-ALERT email, received 10/9/11]

[Source (UVA story): VCDL VA-ALERT, received 10/10/11]

[Source (VCDL Protests): VCDL VA-ALERT email, received 10/9/11]

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3 Comments

  1. Braden Lynch

     /  October 11, 2011

    I loved the first story with the 0.380 richocet neutering the bad guy. Ouch! Ouch!

    It’s almost like a “Darwin Award” in that, while he is not dead, it will be difficult for him to transmit his criminal genes to a future generation.

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  2. Antonio

     /  April 2, 2013

    I go to UVA, and whenever I see an email from Gibson, I just really hope he gets mugged someday, so then he can continue to spew his bullshit to the UVA community. I begin to hate the guy more and more every time he tells us to cooperate with a criminal attacker. I will be getting a gun and a carry permit on my 21st birthday, and any criminal who touches me will have his brains blown all over the damn place.

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